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Jonathan Schneiderman's avatar

The way things stand now, I feel fairly confident that if I were the one in a mixed-gender group who noted that misandry is bad, I would be seen as some combination of (1) a scold, (2) a man trying to tone-police a woman (and therefore a misogynist), (3) a man denying the badness of men (and therefore a misogynist), and (4) an example of fragile masculine ego. I try not to actively validate the misandry when it crops up, but as far as actually rebutting it goes, given how the board has been set up in 2026 I think this is one where women have to lead the way (as you are doing, here).

Stony Stevenson's avatar

Even setting aside the social incentives, online misandry as a construct is built to resist any kind of external scrutiny. Every rebuttal to it gets repurposed as further proof of male frailty. Innocuous phrases like "well, actually" or "not all men" - things you might naturally say if you're providing counterexamples to an unfair generalization - become memes about how tedious and obtuse men are. Asking for further elaboration isn't possible because "it's not their job to educate you", etc etc.

This barely affects my life in any way (because of course I'm "one of the good ones"); rather, I think it's mostly self-sabotaging for the women who participate in it. It's bad enough that it opts them into a delusional mythology about gender relations, but also, it assumes that women have to play by ezmode rules when defending an ideology. I don't think women are at any natural disadvantage in the arena of ideas, yet this kind of misandry holds its adherents to lower intellectual standards, which obviously makes them worse off.

To clarify, I acknowledge that a lot of men get performatively offended by misandry, and by contrast, my objection here isn't that it's personally hurtful - just that it's stupid. Men don't really feel group identification or solidarity in the same way that some persecuted groups might, and so I don't buy it when someone's kneejerk response to misandry is to be a bitchbaby about it. One of the subtle ways that maladjusted men take up undue emotional space is by taking offense at trivial slights - which makes sense, since men don't get as many opportunities in society to claim victim status. This is one area where the misandrists have a fair point: there are some annoying behaviors that men do more on average, and it's fair to make observations about them, so long as you have the right amount of tact and social IQ.

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