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Horus on the Prairie's avatar

I've always been uncomfortable with the bare pronatalist argument for men to have children as well. The constantly pitch children as a man's "legacy", while all the other activities and contributions of men that can affect the world are ignored or downplayed. While pronatalist arguments from religious conservatives frame it as a woman's duty or purpose, it is framed for men through appeals to their ego and desire to do great things. The irony is many of these pronatalists are Catholics who have no problem with childless clergy, or a childless Jesus.

Yet, what is the "legacy" of a man's children in turn? If we follow that same logic, it would be to just have children of their own. A self-licking ice cream cone. So people in general, men and women, are under this schema mere breeding machines to maintain GDP and culture (even though culture sometimes comes from childless people). Sure, enough people have to have children, and most want to do so, but to reduce civilization to just giving birth for its own sake sort of misses the broader point of civilization to begin with.

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Those men who use surrogates enmasse remind me of the fertility doctors who secretly use their own semen. They don't care about the resulting children, it's more about their own twisted legacy.

One of the more famous cases, Donald Cline, was a socially conseevative church elder who was recorded justifying what he did (secretly impregnate about 100 women with his own seed) with reference to Jeremiah 1:5, "before I formed you in the womb, I knew you..."

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